Join Michael Lester as he interviews Dr. Nils Gilman, a New York-based historian and senior adviser at the Berggruen Institute. They discuss the transition from a fossil-fueled industrial civilization to a new paradigm driven by renewable energy. Dr. Gilman characterizes this shift as the emergence of a new world order, with petrostates led by the USA in an 'alliance' against the green entente of countries led by China. Tune in to explore this contest of competing growth metabolisms, constituting what Dr. Gilman describes as an ecological cold war. Northern Beaches Entertainment
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